[25 Mar 11] Let me get you out of those clothes

[musikitty]

Hm. This reads weirdly to me and I can't quite explain why. I guess it just feels odd that Penny spent so much time wrestling with her sexual feelings towards Aggie, and now she's all sexual innuendo-y. She just figured out she's definitively into girls (or at least *a* girl), and she's already ready to bump uglies? It seems like Penny should be feeling more like Aggie right now-- confused, unsure, excited, but not ready to go bang just yet.

Actually, their whole "coming together" has felt this way to me. Don't get me wrong-- I can totally see them as a couple-- but Penny's just seemed WAY too comfortable with the whole shebang. The "let's play a game to see who we'd have sex with of the non-preferred gender...." thing felt right, in that it's totally a cute, sly, and non-threatening way to test the waters, but every move since then Penny's seemed way too confident about. It just feels off. Who's this confident about their very first same-gender (or any non-traditional, really) relationship? Even Sara and Daphne were more tentative than this, and they were out PRIOR to actually trying to form a relationship. Not to mention, up until Sara's outing, Penny lived in a completely hetero world. She's only recently joined a really inclusive group, and tensions between former Pennies and former Aggies haven't even completely settled down yet. So it's not like she's been surrounded by a culture where gay relationships are seen as exactly the same as straight ones. To my mind, this should still feel a little weird to her.

I think I'm rambling right now. Sorry if you can't make any sense out of my comment... Does anybody else feel weird about this?

EDIT: And of course I somehow missed how this was discussed earlier in this thread. *facepalm*

[Arky]

I would note that this continues the trend of Penny having just WAY too much confidence about this whole thing. ("well that's an appealing image"?) For something she'd been unconsciously dealing with for most of the strip, then pushing to the surface-- I know she's teasing Aggie here too, and she's always been self confident-- but this seems like something that would be terrifying along with exhilarating.

Remember there's a major difference of experience here. Penny has made the beast with two backs multiple times. Aggie has been kissed once.

Yeah, I think Penny is overlooking that while she is not a virgin and the Pennies are not virgins (except Katy-Ann, and even Katy-Ann has a boyfriend over whom she strains with lustful thoughts), Aggie is a virgin. And her most sexually charged experience that we know of was a dream about a store mannequin.

It's in Penny's nature to throw herself whole-heartedly into any commitment she makes, once she makes it. She was the same with Rich, and she's been the same with non-romantic commitments like the school play. Unfortunately, she's going to need to cool her jets slightly with Aggie, who is not as carpe diem as Rich.

[jk9000]

Hm. This reads weirdly to me and I can't quite explain why. I guess it just feels odd that Penny spent so much time wrestling with her sexual feelings towards Aggie, and now she's all sexual innuendo-y. She just figured out she's definitively into girls (or at least *a* girl), and she's already ready to bump uglies? It seems like Penny should be feeling more like Aggie right now-- confused, unsure, excited, but not ready to go bang just yet.

Actually, their whole "coming together" has felt this way to me. Don't get me wrong-- I can totally see them as a couple-- but Penny's just seemed WAY too comfortable with the whole shebang. The "let's play a game to see who we'd have sex with of the non-preferred gender...." thing felt right, in that it's totally a cute, sly, and non-threatening way to test the waters, but every move since then Penny's seemed way too confident about. It just feels off. Who's this confident about their very first same-gender (or any non-traditional, really) relationship? Even Sara and Daphne were more tentative than this, and they were out PRIOR to actually trying to form a relationship. Not to mention, up until Sara's outing, Penny lived in a completely hetero world. She's only recently joined a really inclusive group, and tensions between former Pennies and former Aggies haven't even completely settled down yet. So it's not like she's been surrounded by a culture where gay relationships are seen as exactly the same as straight ones. To my mind, this should still feel a little weird to her.

I think I'm rambling right now. Sorry if you can't make any sense out of my comment... Does anybody else feel weird about this?

Penny's forwardness has been a noted oddity ever since the kiss, I think. Or at least it has been for me. I mean, I can explain it as Penny just being a forward person, but it still doesn't really sit right.

[undefinedlust]

Penny found a button that works real well.

She should be careful with that last bit, but I think she honestly wants to push Aggie into being a little more daring, but still have Aggie choose the style and how far to go. She wants to push Aggie a little, but not nearly as much as Aggie fears. And I very much doubt the result will be anything like how Penny dresses.

Changing room could be fun, though. Penny's new button should work real well there.

Do they have security cameras in those dressing rooms?:leer:

Why don't you have a seat over there. You, too, undefinedlust.

Me? What did I do? ~goes and sits in the time out chair~ I'm innocent, innocent I tell ya!!! (This time at least! )

I want Aggie to get sucked into one of those dress-up montages.

Sorry, everyone, I had to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DaXJmo9cro

I thought of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2wrU2tkl38

[darklion]

I think that's just the dynamic of the relationship that they've had up to now speaking. I do think most of this stuff is just innuendo to Penny, though that may not be how Aggie feels about things right now. While it might be Penny's job to be understanding of Aggie's inexperience, it's likewise in Aggie's interest to adapt to the new levels of intimacy that she hasn't experienced before. She might be scared but she's got to try.

[retrophrenologist]

Hm. This reads weirdly to me and I can't quite explain why. I guess it just feels odd that Penny spent so much time wrestling with her sexual feelings towards Aggie, and now she's all sexual innuendo-y. She just figured out she's definitively into girls (or at least *a* girl), and she's already ready to bump uglies? It seems like Penny should be feeling more like Aggie right now-- confused, unsure, excited, but not ready to go bang just yet.

Penny's forwardness has been a noted oddity ever since the kiss, I think. Or at least it has been for me. I mean, I can explain it as Penny just being a forward person, but it still doesn't really sit right.

Maybe Penny is just fronting. Acting confident and decisive in a situation like this one is just the kind of thing that she'd do.

[sentora]

Heh, this was a fun update. All of Penny's expressions are icon worthy.

I think Penny's aggressiveness is more her wanting Aggie to challenge her than her trying to make her into a Barbie, clothing being one of the things they always snarked about and comfortable battlegrounds for them. Aggie's just not catching on yet because she still isn't used to innuendo that isn't coming from Lisa.

[musikitty]

Hm. This reads weirdly to me and I can't quite explain why. I guess it just feels odd that Penny spent so much time wrestling with her sexual feelings towards Aggie, and now she's all sexual innuendo-y. She just figured out she's definitively into girls (or at least *a* girl), and she's already ready to bump uglies? It seems like Penny should be feeling more like Aggie right now-- confused, unsure, excited, but not ready to go bang just yet.

Penny's forwardness has been a noted oddity ever since the kiss, I think. Or at least it has been for me. I mean, I can explain it as Penny just being a forward person, but it still doesn't really sit right.

Maybe Penny is just fronting. Acting confident and decisive in a situation like this one is just the kind of thing that she'd do.

That's a good explanation. I just wish we'd see Penny privately being less confident than she is publicly. Maybe her talking with Sara or something.

[Anonymous3]

Well, you can't say Penny doesn't go for what she wants. ^_^

What's more, I don't think Penny would dress Aggie in anything she wouldn't like.

[bunnyThor]

Penny's forwardness has been a noted oddity ever since the kiss, I think. Or at least it has been for me. I mean, I can explain it as Penny just being a forward person, but it still doesn't really sit right.

I think Penny is so relieved that she doesn't have to hide her desires from anyone (including herself) anymore that she is just reveling in being brash and saucy.

Aggie, OTOH, is still coming to terms with the fact that she does indeed have these desires, or at least feelings that are associated with these desires. Plus the whole thing about not wanting to assimilated by Penny of Borg.

[Mr. Brightside]

I think Penny is so relieved that she doesn't have to hide her desires from anyone (including herself) anymore that she is just reveling in being brash and saucy.

Aggie, OTOH, is still coming to terms with the fact that she does indeed have these desires, or at least feelings that are associated with these desires. Plus the whole thing about not wanting to assimilated by Penny of Borg.

The problem here is that three of the people right in front of Penny still don't know. Aggie has been pretty clear to all her friends that, at least physically, she does like Penny, and she realized a long time ago that she probably liked girls, and told at least one of her friends as much. I really do think it's mostly about Penny as a person.

[TCampbell]

Hm. This reads weirdly to me and I can't quite explain why. I guess it just feels odd that Penny spent so much time wrestling with her sexual feelings towards Aggie, and now she's all sexual innuendo-y. She just figured out she's definitively into girls (or at least *a* girl), and she's already ready to bump uglies? It seems like Penny should be feeling more like Aggie right now-- confused, unsure, excited, but not ready to go bang just yet.

Penny's forwardness has been a noted oddity ever since the kiss, I think. Or at least it has been for me. I mean, I can explain it as Penny just being a forward person, but it still doesn't really sit right.

Maybe Penny is just fronting. Acting confident and decisive in a situation like this one is just the kind of thing that she'd do.

That's a good explanation. I just wish we'd see Penny privately being less confident than she is publicly. Maybe her talking with Sara or something.

...Did she seem to exude confidence in the previous scene, with Fred?

[musikitty]

Hm. This reads weirdly to me and I can't quite explain why. I guess it just feels odd that Penny spent so much time wrestling with her sexual feelings towards Aggie, and now she's all sexual innuendo-y. She just figured out she's definitively into girls (or at least *a* girl), and she's already ready to bump uglies? It seems like Penny should be feeling more like Aggie right now-- confused, unsure, excited, but not ready to go bang just yet.

Penny's forwardness has been a noted oddity ever since the kiss, I think. Or at least it has been for me. I mean, I can explain it as Penny just being a forward person, but it still doesn't really sit right.

Maybe Penny is just fronting. Acting confident and decisive in a situation like this one is just the kind of thing that she'd do.

That's a good explanation. I just wish we'd see Penny privately being less confident than she is publicly. Maybe her talking with Sara or something.

...Did she seem to exude confidence in the previous scene, with Fred?

To me, yeah.

EDIT: Maybe not confident about Aggie's reaction, but definitely confident about her own position on the issue.

[bunnyThor]

...Did she seem to exude confidence in the previous scene, with Fred?

(re-reads that scene)

Yes, for the most part. At least she seems confident in her own actions, but less confident that Aggie is following the proper procedure, hence the need for a status report from an inside source.

At the very least, she seems confident that winging it is the right thing to do.

EDIT: Damn, ninja'd.

[TCampbell]

Penny's a lot less comfortable displaying vulnerability in general, which makes her stronger than Aggie in some ways and weaker in others (what a shock, right?). She'd much rather grill Fred on what Aggie's thinking, and he has to reply "Tell me what YOU'RE thinking" three or four times before she admits that (1) she has no plan, and doesn't even plan to have a plan ("I've always made love my exception") (2) she's not sure how deep her feelings go, and (3) she's plunging ahead anyhow, using her personal version of Pascal's wager, the "one in twenty rule."

Maybe that says "confidence" to you, but to me all it says is "determination." You can be certain that you want to take a certain set of actions, without any confidence in the short- or long-term outcomes.

Aggie's flustery behavior around her sure ain't discouraging her, though.