[23 Mar 2012] Fauxmosexuals and "Experimenters"

[Alice Macher]

It probably feels like days to Lisa, wandering through the bleak snowscape of rejection and Galinda-style "something has gone terribly wrong... I didn't get what I wanted!" mourning.

Cute, Adri. Except that she isn't, because the fact she's now out of bed and hanging with some new friends she's made shows she isn't wandering through any snowscapes. I know you don't care for Lisa, and that's okay, but here you're straying quite a bit from what's actually going on in the story.

[Adrishiana]

The gratuitous reference back to LAZ not embracing her with open arms as is her due indicates that she's not quite over it.

[Alice Macher]

The gratuitous reference back to LAZ not embracing her with open arms as is her due indicates that she's not quite over it.

Perhaps not, but neither is she nearly as melodramatically consumed with it, like a woman in some Regency novel upon her fainting couch, as you're making her out to be. You know?

[Adrishiana]

The gratuitous reference back to LAZ not embracing her with open arms as is her due indicates that she's not quite over it.

Perhaps not, but neither is she nearly as melodramatically consumed with it, like a woman in some Regency novel upon her fainting couch, as you're making her out to be. You know?

Please. Lisa is much too special and unique for corsets.

[Alice Macher]

And she never struck me as the goth type, anyway. Not even the perky sort.

[Adrishiana]

Her waist just does that naturally! Because she's Lisa.

[yeorenzen]

What our society wants is stereotypes, not people.

I have to agree 100% -And throw out "our" and maybe you formulated the shortest way of diagnosing what went wrong with human history if one factor is to be named...

And Samie_Seraphim: I agree very much that identifying with one aspect of yourself is at least boring.

But it can also be a recipe for disaster if you hang your identity on things that are badly founded or somewhat out of your control. The classic situation with sexuality is to identify with ex. being able to attract a partner/attention of your choice, keeping that partner/attention, being recognized by others as the gender you prefer - and so on. But what happens when something goes wrong? - You don't just loose out on something you wanted. You also loose yourself to some extent, which can be very shaking and depressing. (Not to mention how others can manipulate you if your identity depends on something they can give or withhold from you...)

[phagocyte]

Us lurkers are just coming out of the woodwork over this one.

I'm always shocked just how far down the chain of prejudice goes. Gays turn on bisexuals. Bisexuals give transgenders grief. trans people villainize (if there's an easy term, I don't know it) people who mentally identify as the opposite gender, but are comfortable in their bodies.

Gays are prejudiced against lesbians. Gays and lesbians tend to be prejudiced against bisexuals. Gays, lesbians and bisexuals tend to be prejudiced against transgendereds. Gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgendereds tends to be prejudiced against transsexuals. Transsexuals tends to resent all of the above because of the way they are treated and ignored. It doesn't help that transsexuals can be welcomed into the broader lesbian or gay community because of sexual identity, but there are still lingering issues there depending on just how strongly the original male (MtF) or female (FtM) identity took hold. For those who never had a male identity, acclimating to the female/lesbian identity can be easy and acceptance fairly quick. For those MtF's who come in with a huge dose of male privilege, hatred abounds.

Prejudices aren't exactly simple and straight lines.

Yeah, exactly--there's a lot of intra-queer shitbaggery and it goes to show just how profound the -isms in our society are. (Lesbians hating on bisexuals? Flaming queers hating on trans* people? WHY ARE YOU DUMB? You'd think that we'd all understand each other more than anyone.)

However, I can see where Leah's coming from. It happened far more in high school, less so now for me as college continued and ended, but there were instances of girls just wanting to make out with girls to get man attention. Or to be scandalized at how crrrrrazzzy they were being. I can also understand being defensive of safe spaces from people looking to be tourists or to just shove themselves into a group that sometimes, just sometimes, you want to yourself, with your own problems. Not that Lisa seemed to be doing any of those things, but I can understand what would have pushed Leah to react as if she were. Unless she REALLY just does have a problem with a bi person cruising ladies at a party EVEN ONCE, which is far, far dumber.

[sun tzu]

The gratuitous reference back to LAZ not embracing her with open arms as is her due indicates that she's not quite over it.

She posted that right after it happened.

[Artemisia]

I'm just glad that I was on for those comments. Sometimes, I am never sure if what I'm saying is coherent.

[Adrishiana]

The gratuitous reference back to LAZ not embracing her with open arms as is her due indicates that she's not quite over it.

She posted that right after it happened.

That, yes, but see the first panel here- the tweet was posted eight minutes before Sara checked Twitter prior to confronting Leah.

[Aris Katsaris]

Here's the advice I, for one, would like everyone in the world to read: Keep Your Identity Small

If you think "Lesbian" is an "identity", then you'll be upset whenever someone says anything about Lesbians that you don't agree with, or even whenever anyone behaves in such a way that makes people the identity-ness of lesbianism.
If you think "Christian" is an "identity", or "Woman" is an identity, or "Vegetarian" is an identity, or "African-American" is an identity, then you'll feel the need to be be offended whenever someone mentions a fact that seems to be attacking whatever group is in question. Even if it's a true fact.

Put as few things in your identity as possible, and then you can actually talk sanely about them.

[Captain LeBubbles]

The gratuitous reference back to LAZ not embracing her with open arms as is her due indicates that she's not quite over it.

She posted that right after it happened.

That, yes, but see the first panel here- the tweet was posted eight minutes before Sara checked Twitter prior to confronting Leah.

I don't see how that's quite an indication that she's not over it, to be honest. It seems more like she's saying "well, last night wasn't so great, but at least today is going better".

[ducky9924]

-annoyed twitching-

I understand having frustration with "fake" lesbians.... but for petes sake sexuality is way too complicated a thing to expect everyone to know what they like with out some good ol experimentation.
Just make sure whomever you're experimenting with knows you're experimenting. >.>

[Adrishiana]

The gratuitous reference back to LAZ not embracing her with open arms as is her due indicates that she's not quite over it.

She posted that right after it happened.

That, yes, but see the first panel here- the tweet was posted eight minutes before Sara checked Twitter prior to confronting Leah.

I don't see how that's quite an indication that she's not over it, to be honest. It seems more like she's saying "well, last night wasn't so great, but at least today is going better".

It just seems kind of forced in there. "At least not everyone is an evil lesbian!"