Principles [01/25/12]

[bunnyThor]

Sara's snark at Lisa leaving seems really rude. I generally like Sara, but that was some serious sarcasm around people who don't even know Lisa. So even if Leah hadn't thrown her out, this group still wouldn't be in on Sara's joke; she'd just be building up an image of Lisa for them. I dunno. Just not so cool.

I found Sara's observation so innocuous as to be unremarkable, myself. More of an "Oh, yeah, that sounds like what Lisa would do" than any sort of dig.

I more confused about Sara thinking that she missed talking politics. I must have missed it too, because I don't remember seeing anything like that in P&A.

[Azrael44]

Together with Lie-y McShovey ("that's [her] name now,"

Fibby O'Shover?

[Alice Macher]

I commented with "Wow, so much for 'give me your poor, your tired, your huddled masses'..." For some bizarre reason, after he said "I hate that fricking statue, I'd tear it down if I could"

"After all, we didn't ask for it. It was a 'gift' from those Cheese-Eating Surrender Monkeys whose asses we're always saving. They probably hid their agents in it, too, when they gave it to us, which explains why our nation's now overrun with them gay homosexuals... Also Obama is really a Muslim terrorist and wasn't born here; flag burning is a threat to the sanctity of married guns, etc. etc."

[Zanosuke Kurosaki]

I commented with "Wow, so much for 'give me your poor, your tired, your huddled masses'..." For some bizarre reason, after he said "I hate that fricking statue, I'd tear it down if I could"

"After all, we didn't ask for it. It was a 'gift' from those Cheese-Eating Surrender Monkeys whose asses we're always saving. They probably hid their agents in it, too, when they gave it to us, which explains why our nation's now overrun with them gay homosexuals... Also Obama is really a Muslim terrorist and wasn't born here; flag burning is a threat to the sanctity of married guns, etc. etc."

Yeah. After finding that out about him, I found myself not at all so sorry to see him go. Had he just disagreed with me? It'd have been cool. But to be so xenophobic like that? Uh, yeah, that's more than a difference in politics by that point... =\

[Adrishiana]

Yeah, I like having a mixture of political views and inclinations on my social media because it keeps it from turning into an echo chamber and we have some interesting discussions.

On the other hand, if you make a habit of posting racist/misogynistic/xenophobic/generally mean-spirited crap, off you go, because life is just too short (I quietly removed several people when all the stupid posts about welfare recipients were making the rounds a while back). Unfortunately, with the upcoming elections, a few of my relatives are showing very Not Okay sides of themselves and, well, family loyalty only goes so far.

ETA: I should clarify that I'm not disowning them or anything, just... limiting my exposure. :D

[Kamino Neko]

As Adri noted, everything that Leah said was true.

Exactly one thing Leah said was true - she gave Lisa the charter.

Then she shoved Lisa, who never decided anything, out the door.

And, to make it worse, this is just Leah being a bitch, just like the door shove was. In both cases, 'Lisa's not a valid member, not being a lesbian' would be both politer, and completely true, but she chose the bitchy route. 'Sorry, but our group is only for lesbians, so you'll have to leave.' 'Yeah, we only accept lesbians, so we had to ask her to leave, sorry.' What's so hard about that?

[pheonix112358]

If Sara's response seems a little snarky, she could also be reacting slightly to the fact that Lisa apparently left without telling her. Which if it falls in something she associates with something Lisa might do, WOULD be rather annoying.

[SomeCanadianWeirdo]

I more confused about Sara thinking that she missed talking politics. I must have missed it too, because I don't remember seeing anything like that in P&A.

I think it's more a case of missing Penny and Aggie arguing about it, not necessarily taking part herself.

And thinking about that makes me wonder how truly committed Leah is to the external political goals of the organisation. I can't help but suspect her real interest is being the big fish in the small pond of the local chapter, and she would just as easily be at home in a less political organisation as long as she got to be top dog. This may also be part of her reason for giving Lisa the bum's rush, she didn't want Lisa becoming the centre of attention even if just for the course of the party.

[Zanosuke Kurosaki]

@Adrish: I totally do not blame you in the least there. It's actually why my friends list has stayed down below 150 people for so long. I've known a few too many people that send me requests, and I just quietly ignore that they did, because while I may have known them out in meatspace - it doesn't necessarily follow that we were exactly "friends", either. So it just blows my mind to meet people that have over 500 friends, and you just know that they barely really connect with most of them. Or, in fact, know them well enough to not be surprised when they post something like the "buh-bye now!" triggers you said.

@Neko: I'm with you on that one. Fibby O'Shover is already shaping up to be passive-aggressive. Now, I'll give T credit, he probably has a couple other things in mind, so I'll withhold on full judgement just yet. Can't say she's showing that much of a good side yet, though.

@pheonix: Interesting thing, actually. It's kind of alarming how quickly Sara is willing to believe someone she just met not even an hour(I think?) ago. I mean, okay, she has no reason to think Fibby would tell her something untrue - but Lisa just ditches her just like that? Sara, dear - you're doing a remarkable job of not thinking, and Penny and Aggie both would be shocked at you.

[CBrachyrhynchos]

The surrender-monkey thing annoys me as a matter of historical accuracy. But that's picking nits.

[Adrishiana]

@pheonix: Interesting thing, actually. It's kind of alarming how quickly Sara is willing to believe someone she just met not even an hour(I think?) ago. I mean, okay, she has no reason to think Fibby would tell her something untrue - but Lisa just ditches her just like that? Sara, dear - you're doing a remarkable job of not thinking, and Penny and Aggie both would be shocked at you.

I'm not excusing what Leah did here, because whether or not she's telling some variety of the truth here, she still knows exactly what happened and her intent was to mislead Sara. That said, though, since Sara is unsurprised at Lisa leaving and they're both fairly independent types, some wandering may have been expected.

[Zanosuke Kurosaki]

@pheonix: Interesting thing, actually. It's kind of alarming how quickly Sara is willing to believe someone she just met not even an hour(I think?) ago. I mean, okay, she has no reason to think Fibby would tell her something untrue - but Lisa just ditches her just like that? Sara, dear - you're doing a remarkable job of not thinking, and Penny and Aggie both would be shocked at you.

I'm not excusing what Leah did here, because whether or not she's telling some variety of the truth here, she still knows exactly what happened and her intent was to mislead Sara. That said, though, since Sara is unsurprised at Lisa leaving and they're both fairly independent types, some wandering may have been expected.

Wandering, yeah, that's the point of such parties. Mingle and get to know others. But to flat out ditch without at least saying "Hey, sorry, I'm off, hope you have fun"? I... can't quite see Lisa being that thoughtless.

Edit: "I can't quite see Lisa being that thoughtless." By which I meant, I can't quite see Lisa being that thoughtless and doing it on a regular basis so that Sara would act like this is a normal thing. Sara might think otherwise, but her brain is very much not very on right now. x.x

[Alice Macher]

The surrender-monkey thing annoys me as a matter of historical accuracy.

As well it should, because it's completely untrue.

[Adrishiana]

@pheonix: Interesting thing, actually. It's kind of alarming how quickly Sara is willing to believe someone she just met not even an hour(I think?) ago. I mean, okay, she has no reason to think Fibby would tell her something untrue - but Lisa just ditches her just like that? Sara, dear - you're doing a remarkable job of not thinking, and Penny and Aggie both would be shocked at you.

I'm not excusing what Leah did here, because whether or not she's telling some variety of the truth here, she still knows exactly what happened and her intent was to mislead Sara. That said, though, since Sara is unsurprised at Lisa leaving and they're both fairly independent types, some wandering may have been expected.

Wandering, yeah, that's the point of such parties. Mingle and get to know others. But to flat out ditch without at least saying "Hey, sorry, I'm off, hope you have fun"? I... can't quite see Lisa being that thoughtless.

Edit: "I can't quite see Lisa being that thoughtless." By which I meant, I can't quite see Lisa being that thoughtless and doing it on a regular basis so that Sara would act like this is a normal thing. Sara might think otherwise, but her brain is very much not very on right now. x.x

Well, I don't know. Lisa can be thoughtless; she can also be easily distracted, or unpredictable. Since Sara's reaction is more "oh, that Lisa" and not "wtf... well, okay," it's hard to say. We'll probably find out in a few strips!

[NobodySpecial]

Out of deference to other's lack of desire to talk politics, I'll be silent after I note that some people tend to get overly political if, say, as a result of persecution by others for their sexuality, they finally decide that they're not gonna take it anymore and get involved in the process. Wouldn't be an Occupy Wall Street or (for that matter) a Focus on the Family without it. So an 'aggressively militant' dorm without a large politics component would be freaking odd.