isobel wrote:It's not calculating, manipulative or selfish to wonder if your boyfriend's stepping out. However, it is extremely calculating, manipulative and selfish to use two girls to get ahead and then dump them, jettison all your old friend for prettier ones, deliberately use a girl from another school to do your spy work, show your significant other no respect on numerous occasions, and try to publicly shame people at a party.
So, you think Penny is manipulative and selfish, huh? (Or did you miss her motive for going to the party?
Mind you, I do agree with your core point that what Karen needs (and this goes for a lot of controlling, needy people in general) is some time where she learns how to stand on her own. And that this is likely to result in her getting it.
On the other hand, she is manipulative and calculating, so it's not totally impossible that she'll do something truly vile, and then talk her way out of it. Or maybe just wank her way out of it--depends on which brain Marshall is using at that point.