Valerie wrote:Oh. My. God. T. Please end this consent war we're having about Karen before I explode. D:
I'm really sorry if I've seemed rude to anyone over it, by the way, I just get really worked up over this sort of thing and there are like a hundred other things going on, too, 'cause that's how life works, but I shouldn't be using that to excuse my behavior if I have been rude, I'm sorry.
In the scene with Karen and Omar, what happened in the blank panel?
And as further clarification, just how... aggressive was whatever Omar is doing in the panel right before that?
I don't know if I can give answers that will completely satisfy the debate here, because I consider this sort of a gray area. Karen, for what it is worth, would say... well, she'd never admit to the incident at all at the end of "Popsicle War." But if I imagine her three years on, telling the story to her college friends in a game of "Have You Ever," she'd say she was seduced.
She never said "no," or struggled at all. She gave a couple of reasons why they should stop, but Omar read that as a token resistance, just to justify what she was doing to her own conscience, or to sweeten it by emphasizing how forbidden it was. You know, "Oh, we shouldn't be doing this! (mmm) (smak) We're so bad! Irredeemable (giggle)!" And he may have been right. He was certainly partly
right. And yet Karen did have a genuine desire to be faithful, a desire to be what she considered a "good girl," at least in that one respect. And Omar had spent enough time with her to know that. He was choosing to take her from another man, which sweetened things for him,
making him feel irresistible.
As for the second question, Omar's hand was pretty fearless. He guessed-- correctly-- that part of his appeal to Karen was his raw, assertive masculinity, a direct contrast to Marshall's quiet loyalty and general uncertainty. (Sure, Marshall got assertive in "When She Was Good," but only after LOTS of encouragement from Karen, and before and after that he was... conflicted, at best.)
I don't think Omar qualifies as a rapist. But he's... oily, you know?