Rereading Penny & Aggie (Spoilers, Of Course)

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Rereading Penny & Aggie (Spoilers, Of Course)

Postby JerrBear » Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:32 pm

I've been planning on rereading some webcomics. I decided to start with Penny & Aggie and finished rereading Penny & Aggie yesterday. Though this forum isn't as active as it once was, I felt like sharing my thoughts here.

Firstly, for any new readers visiting the forums, spoilers ahead. If you don't want to be spoiled, please stop reading!

It's been years since I've read this comic and I love how my current point-of-view makes me see the plot and characters a little differently. I see early Aggie bordering on the Social Justice Warrior type. If she were unapologetic in The Race Card, she could easily find herself going that route. However, she realizes that accusing people of bad behavior without proof isn't good.

Of course, my POV is also colored by already knowing how the story ends. For instance, knowing where Stan is headed makes disliking him (for past instances) impossible for me. Even with the knowledge that he and Brandi end on a bad note, I couldn't dislike him. He makes mistakes being a people-pleaser. I also feel that in comparison to others, he's not bad.

I'm a little less forgiving of Karen, now. I still don't hate her, but aren't as interested in seeing her redeemed (though, I'd still read a story where she works on herself).

One detail that's funnier, in hindsight, is Penny's BSOD after Sara snaps at her to get with Aggie. The Penny/Duane/Aggie dream also felt more funny to me. It's that “knowing how the story ends” part; I view these scenes differently because Penny and Aggie date later.

I liked the P/A breakup better, too. As they were, they didn't look like they would last if they didn't take an extended breakup. Penny didn't turn into Bitch-Lit Queen and Aggie didn't turn into More-Conservative Aggie. They needed to grow on their own before establishing a more permanent relationship. After rereading, I couldn't see Teen P/A lasting after Aggie explained she needed a relationship that provided her a safe place to wind down.

Tharqa, Cyndi, and early-Charlotte remind me of an ex-roommate, minus Cyndi's murderous impulses. Speaking of Tharqa, she came off as less bitchy and more nervous during the class reunion. It seemed like she could've been the person who wants to apologize, but couldn't because of a combination of nervousness and guilt. Seemed being the keyword.
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Re: Rereading Penny & Aggie (Spoilers, Of Course)

Postby MudFlap33 » Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:28 am

I just finished re-reading the series today. I think I needed some good nostalgia in my life.

I have to say I agree with a lot of your assessment. There are certainly characters--like Stan--that I view with a lot more sympathy on this re-read than I have in the past. I do think he is largely honest about who he is and I don't necessarily think he deserved to be shunned the way he was--with the caveat, though, that I don't think he's someone I'd want to be friends with in life. Marshall comes off much more sympathetic to me now, too.

I tried to read Karen with more sympathy, too, but yeah, it didn't quite happen. I could empathize with her insecurities, but her motives remained mostly petty and mean.

Cyndi was so much more interesting and so much eerier, too. Some of her scenes ended up downright chilling.

And I loved re-reading the whole arc of Penny and Aggie's constantly-shifting relationship, knowing where it was heading. I loved the open ending much more, and this time, I understand their breakup much better, too. I remember the first time I read the breakup, I felt like it *was* something they could have worked on together, but this time? I totally understood that it was not the right time for them, not while they were still in high school. I still like to believe that they try again, as the adults they were able to become.
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Re: Rereading Penny & Aggie (Spoilers, Of Course)

Postby JerrBear » Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:24 pm

Cyndi is certainly more chilling with age. Her comeuppance was more satisfying, too (it was satisfactory to begin with :twisted: )
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Re: Rereading Penny & Aggie (Spoilers, Of Course)

Postby MudFlap33 » Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:11 am

And on THAT note, I had kind of warm feelings for Charlotte through almost all the re-read, because of knowing more about what her path is like. THAT kind of shocked me.

But yeah. Cyndi's comeuppance was fantastic. Just really loved this re-read.
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Re: Rereading Penny & Aggie (Spoilers, Of Course)

Postby JerrBear » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:29 pm

MudFlap33 wrote:And on THAT note, I had kind of warm feelings for Charlotte through almost all the re-read, because of knowing more about what her path is like. THAT kind of shocked me.

But yeah. Cyndi's comeuppance was fantastic. Just really loved this re-read.


I agree about Charlotte (except her homophobic attitudes still make me cringe as much as before).

Edit: Xena is sad after watching Leah Remini's docu-series.
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Re: Rereading Penny & Aggie (Spoilers, Of Course)

Postby CEOIII » Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:55 pm

Or Xena's eyes are opened and she's started a support group for ex-Scientologists.

With the help and support of her black,female girlfriend.
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Re: Rereading Penny & Aggie (Spoilers, Of Course)

Postby JerrBear » Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:14 pm

CEOIII wrote:Or Xena's eyes are opened and she's started a support group for ex-Scientologists.

With the help and support of her black,female girlfriend.


This needs to happen :mrgreen:
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Re: Rereading Penny & Aggie (Spoilers, Of Course)

Postby MudFlap33 » Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:48 am

JerrBear wrote:
CEOIII wrote:Or Xena's eyes are opened and she's started a support group for ex-Scientologists.

With the help and support of her black,female girlfriend.


This needs to happen :mrgreen:


Now THAT would be a story! :)

But yeah I've been catching some of Leah Remini's series and it's so good and so sad. Though was Xena an official church member? Or just kind of a crazy scientology fangirl? I feel like T address it at some point but I don't remember details.
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Re: Rereading Penny & Aggie (Spoilers, Of Course)

Postby JerrBear » Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:58 am

MudFlap33 wrote:
JerrBear wrote:
CEOIII wrote:Or Xena's eyes are opened and she's started a support group for ex-Scientologists.

With the help and support of her black,female girlfriend.


This needs to happen :mrgreen:


Now THAT would be a story! :)

But yeah I've been catching some of Leah Remini's series and it's so good and so sad. Though was Xena an official church member? Or just kind of a crazy scientology fangirl? I feel like T address it at some point but I don't remember details.


I can't remember, either. I bet she'd be the neighbor that doesn't want to disconnect from a pet.
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Re: Rereading Penny & Aggie (Spoilers, Of Course)

Postby Alice Macher » Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:11 am

I think T said once that Xena isn't officially a member, but has devoured all the Hubbard stuff she could find online. Including his correspondence, which is where the "That's what n***ers were born for" line comes from.

He also said, closer to the end of the comic when he was doing the "Where are they now" stuff for characters neither shown nor mentioned at the reunion, that Xena later became a Jehovah's Witness. But I like CEOIII's idea better. Provided, that is, she also got lots of professional help because I don't think it was the Hubbard stuff that made her mentally ill.
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Re: Rereading Penny & Aggie (Spoilers, Of Course)

Postby JerrBear » Sun Jan 22, 2017 3:09 pm

Alice Macher wrote:I think T said once that Xena isn't officially a member, but has devoured all the Hubbard stuff she could find online. Including his correspondence, which is where the "That's what n***ers were born for" line comes from.

He also said, closer to the end of the comic when he was doing the "Where are they now" stuff for characters neither shown nor mentioned at the reunion, that Xena later became a Jehovah's Witness. But I like CEOIII's idea better. Provided, that is, she also got lots of professional help because I don't think it was the Hubbard stuff that made her mentally ill.


We must all make CEOIII's proposal a reality :twisted:
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