Re-read week 152: The New Reality, Part Two 13 - 18

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Re: Re-read week 152: The New Reality, Part Two 13 - 18

Postby LadyObvious23 » Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:31 pm

Except here's the thing. SHE'S STILL A CHILD AND IN THE EYES OF THE LAW IT'S VERY ILLEGAL TO SLEEP WITH HER.


IT ISN'T JUST A FUCKING NUMBER. SARA WAS STILL A CHILD UNTIL SHE TURNED THAT AGE AND IT'S SUPER ILLEGAL TO DO ANYTHING SEXUAL WITH HER. TEENAGERS AREN'T SMALL ADULTS,THEY'RE STILL CHILDREN.
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Re: Re-read week 152: The New Reality, Part Two 13 - 18

Postby timemonkey » Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:48 pm

Sara is above the age of consent, it IS legal to do things with her. Except film and air it.
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Re: Re-read week 152: The New Reality, Part Two 13 - 18

Postby LadyObvious23 » Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:51 pm

No she's not. She's still a freaking KID.
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Re: Re-read week 152: The New Reality, Part Two 13 - 18

Postby timemonkey » Thu Sep 10, 2015 4:02 pm

And now you're just saying the same thing over and over with no actual facts to back it up.
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Re: Re-read week 152: The New Reality, Part Two 13 - 18

Postby LadyObvious23 » Thu Sep 10, 2015 4:12 pm

She's under the age of 18 so in the eyes of the law,she is a KID.
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Re: Re-read week 152: The New Reality, Part Two 13 - 18

Postby brasca » Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:13 pm

timemonkey wrote:And now you're just saying the same thing over and over with no actual facts to back it up.


That is how most arguments go with Lady O.

And Timemonkey is right. Eighteen is an arbitrary number. Some jurisdictions set the age of consent at 18, but others at 16. And of course there is the double standard of declaring that young adults cannot make decisions about sex until they are above a certain age and yet try those same people as adults if they commit murder. There are cases where someone was charged with statutory rape even though the age difference was less than 6 months. Laws may be written with good intent to protect children from predators, but obsolescence and lawmaker stupidity can quickly undermine the original purpose and make criminals out of people who are guilty for arbitrary reasons.

If Hollywood has no such prohibition on a 17 year old having sex with someone in their 20s then it does not matter what you think. It is legal. And this is really all hypothetical seeing as how sex never occurred and possibly never would. Even if the police were called in to investigate, Hillary could claim that Sara is someone so desperate for sex she sees it everywhere. For all we know Hillary is straight and was playing on Sara's weakness and was never going to go that far so in the absence of any hard evidence there would be no charges.

FlyingFish wrote:Hm... this brings up an interesting question: how old was Rich during the runaway period? I'm pretty sure Penny was still 16, and taking someone of that age away from home and parents for over a month AND having sex with her is surely far worse than merely having sex with her.


That took place in a state that was never clearly identified so the rules regarding age of consent and statutory rape are equally uncertain. Maybe Rob and Lynda could press charges, but decided not to since they were content that their daughter was back and Rich was gone. In cases like this it is usually the parents or a state agency that presses charges even if the underage party does not, but they have to be alerted to it. As such Helen's ex-boyfriend Grigori could be charged, but since she is emancipated her parents have no say and Helen chose not to press charges so whatever happened may be illegal, but if it never gets reported no one gets charged.
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Re: Re-read week 152: The New Reality, Part Two 13 - 18

Postby LadyObvious23 » Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:52 pm

YES BECAUSE THAT SO MAKES HER A GROWN UP. AGE ISN'T JUST A FUCKING NUMBER. CHILDHOOD ISN'T MYSTICALLY OVER AT THE AGE OF TWELVE. THIS ISN'T FUCKING OKAY AT ALL.
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Re: Re-read week 152: The New Reality, Part Two 13 - 18

Postby brasca » Thu Sep 10, 2015 6:53 pm

There are some biologists who claim one is not fully grown until they are 25. If that is the case then that would make Hillary underage too so what she and Sara may or may not have done would be perfectly legal.
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Re: Re-read week 152: The New Reality, Part Two 13 - 18

Postby LadyObvious23 » Thu Sep 10, 2015 7:01 pm

No. No. No. That's not how it works at all. Hillary is the adult. She had no fucking right to do what she did. This is getting very disgusting.
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Re: Re-read week 152: The New Reality, Part Two 13 - 18

Postby brasca » Thu Sep 10, 2015 8:15 pm

I would say tedious and yet another issue where we disagree.
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Re: Re-read week 152: The New Reality, Part Two 13 - 18

Postby LadyObvious23 » Thu Sep 10, 2015 8:24 pm

"Tedious" you're literally telling me that age isn't a limit and another person is denying that kids are still children until they're 18.
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Re: Re-read week 152: The New Reality, Part Two 13 - 18

Postby Lia S » Fri Sep 11, 2015 6:10 am

Well I now have some creepy search terms in my browser history, but anyway...

www.age-of-consent.info/states/California wrote:The California legal Age of Consent for sexual contact is 18 years old. There are a total of eleven states have set their age of consent at 18 years old, the highest legal age of consent in any state.

The age of consent in California is 18, with a misdemeanor if the minor has 3 or fewer years of difference with the major, and potentially a felony if the major is more than 3 years older. The close-in-age rule in California (3 years) do not provide an exception nor provide any defense; it merely lowers the crime to a misdemeanor. Under this law, two minors of the exact same age could both be prosecuted with a misdemeanor. Penalties increase if the minor is under 16 and the major is above 21 or if the minor is more than 3 years younger.


There are places where it’s completely legal for someone in their early 20s, or even someone of any higher age, to have sex with someone who is 17, but Hollywood is not one of them.

Age of consent and related laws are weird. For example in many places it’s legal for a 16 year old to have sex with anyone the same age or older, but they’re not allowed to view even the softest of porn. There also are places where it’s legal for a young couple to have sex, and then after the birthday of one partner it’s illegal... And so on. I’m happy I was way over the age of consent when I became active so I never had to worry about the details of the law.

From a moral point of view, I don’t think having their 18th (or 16th, or whatever other age is in the law) is a magical event in which a person suddenly becomes MUCH more capable to make decisions for themselves. What’s important is that both partners fully understand what they’re doing (or both don’t understand at all, I guess) and that neither holds power over the other or is much more capable of manipulation. Physical age is a very poor substitute for psychological maturity, but it appears we don’t have anything better that can be written into law.
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Re: Re-read week 152: The New Reality, Part Two 13 - 18

Postby LadyObvious23 » Fri Sep 11, 2015 3:10 pm

....Lia. No. That's not how it fucking works at all. I don't give two shits how "mature" a fucking kid acts. It's still disgusting and wrong.
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Re: Re-read week 152: The New Reality, Part Two 13 - 18

Postby timemonkey » Fri Sep 11, 2015 7:51 pm

LadyObvious, you are confusing your opinion with indisputable fact again. YOU consider everyone to be kids until they turn 18. YOU think relationships between 17 year olds and anyone older to be creepy. These are not facts, they are not universal truth, they are your beliefs.
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Re: Re-read week 152: The New Reality, Part Two 13 - 18

Postby LadyObvious23 » Fri Sep 11, 2015 10:56 pm

Except they are and it is. -_________-
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