2011-08-17: (scroll)

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Re: 2011-08-17: (scroll)

Postby Snarfle » Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:56 am

I'm really... not feeling this page. Suddenness aside, Penny just looks like drunk-girl without her eyes, and nothing about this page looks "sexy" to me. It just looks kind of awkward. The juxtaposition of Penny biting something and her... scream-moan face... just makes her look like a werewolf taking a chomp before howling at the moon. The only actual facial expressions we have that aren't just abstract moan/scream/howling-at-the-moon faces are just really cartoon-ish and kind of silly, which is like an added dose of mood-whiplash to the already-intended mood-whiplash created by this page in the first place.

I felt the same way for the last page-with-a-scroll-warning. While I'm usually more a fan of teasing/alluding to what's going on without directly showing it, if you're going to show a lot of closeups of a face or a panel where the people are the main focus, small details become much more important. Right now, I feel like I understand how Sara and Penny felt watching Aggie's video while looking at this page. :? Too much is happening in such a small space, movement lines are overlapping and everywhere and going in every direction, and I just can't unsee the desk monster.
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Re: 2011-08-17: (scroll)

Postby Libba Yuki » Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:11 am

:shock: :? :roll:
...I'm sorry, but I just can't take this rubbish anymore and continue to be silent about it.

I feel like this superb webcomic ended (a little unresolved, but satisfying regardless) with the final page of the Popsicle War arc, and was spun-off into a disappointing and dull continuation. The only two shining things about P&A post-Popsicle War (to me) was Charlotte's ongoing storyline (even if the conclusion of it, the psychopath showdown, was a little farfetched-it was enjoyable and satisfying nonetheless), and the introduction of Lucy (who I would have loved to see Sara get together with-because unlike Sara/Daphne, Sara/Lucy had great chemistry). Everything else that's gone on in this comic aside from that has either had me yawning or rolling my eyes. I think this latest page is the straw that broke the camel's back for me, this is just ridiculous.

To be fair though, the Penny/Aggie pairing has been hard to swallow since its random beginnings when Penny suddenly got blushy around Aggie and shoved her new friend into dating to try and hide her apparently brand spank'n new lesbian feelings back in the Darren storyline. Aggie has shown signs of bisexuality from the very beginning; I'm not going to deny that because it's so clearly there. But Penny? Pre-Popsicle War there were NO signs whatsoever that she was swinging that way, every time there was talk about Penny/Aggie as lovers in the comic (all of which was from Sara, the at-the-time closet lesbian may I remind everyone)-it was done as a joke, not in a manner to be taken seriously. The only time it wasn't done as a joke was the 20 2020 Pennies storyline (which featured Penny as every possible type of person anyone could end up being, including a robot...so again, I doubt that was supposed to be taken seriously)-but the Penny/Aggie we saw there is a far cry from what's been smeared over our screens lately.

I would have loved to see Aggie with Lisa if they really wanted her to explore her sexuality, because they have that couple-chemistry (even with the lack of evidence supporting it pre-Popsicle War, it still seems so much more believable to me). Penny playing the role of Aggie's girlfriend just doesn't work though. It's felt so forced, that I'm practically choking on it. And it's gotten progressively worse as their so-called romance has "developed".

I could go on about the many things that have disappointed me and annoyed about this comic since The Popsicle War story arc ended, but I don't think I could stop the oncoming storm if I did. So I'll just let my frustration end here, and hope that rotten fruits and veggies don't get thrown at me for my honest opinion.
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Re: 2011-08-17: (scroll)

Postby Zanosuke Kurosaki » Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:31 am

Libba Yuki wrote: It's felt so forced, that I'm practically choking on it. And it's gotten progressively worse as their so-called romance has "developed".


That might be the point he's been shooting for, that Penny and Aggie themselves are now kind of forcing this. And the "not getting better" feeling is because really, they're still just playing house and don't see each other the way Lisa discussed with Jack (about two different relationships, but she had and still has, a valid and wise point.) Also, and this is a biggie - they seem to be confusing emotional closeness with romantic closeness. One does not always involve the other, and sometimes should not(this sort of thing is why we get adultery and other types of cheating, not enough people aren't aware that they don't have to act on what they think they're feeling...)

My own personal two cents on today's:

Wow, I said Kiss or Kill, but looks like they decided on Option C. "Both!"
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Re: Banging, indeed

Postby Makkabee » Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:44 am

Mr. Brightside wrote:
bunnyThor wrote:My favorite part of this whole thing is that they have no idea that Sara and Lisa left. :lol:

Also, are there really teenagers who keep a cupful of sharpened pencils on their desk?


I certainly did. Of course, I switched to mechanical pencils around '04, and I don't think I've seen anyone outside a library use a "real" pencil in years...

Also, I was (as you might have guessed by now) kind of a nerd.


I used a "real" pencil yesterday.
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Re: 2011-08-17: (scroll)

Postby Pink Freud » Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:02 am

At this point, I half-expect Lisa to wake up in her bed, go to the shower and find Bobby Ewing.
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Re: 2011-08-17: (scroll)

Postby Sassy-fras » Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:10 am

Laafje wrote:
Freemage wrote:
bunnyThor wrote:My favorite part of this whole thing is that they have no idea that Sara and Lisa left.

Also, are there really teenagers who keep a cupful of sharpened pencils on their desk?

Um... Honestly, I'm not sure that's AGGIE'S desk....

Evidence.

I'm honestly thinking this is Nick's desk in his study at home. Which would mean that the odds of parental involvement would skyrocket....

Oh. Goodness. That's gonna be awkward. Since it's summer and Nick's not working. Well, he might be grocery shopping or working out or something?


Marshall: Are you sure it's okay for me to be here?

Nick: *as he gestures for Marshall to enter the study* If Aggie asks, I'll tell her the truth.

Marshall: I really appreciate you helping me look into colleges. I've been so distracted- *walks into the study and notices Aggie & Penny on the floor asleep*

...I'd love to see how that unfolds....
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Re: 2011-08-17: (scroll)

Postby dianekikiula » Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:40 am

Somehow, I knew the scrolling was just a tease.

The dynamics of these two make me worry, though.
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Re: 2011-08-17: (scroll)

Postby mindstalk » Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:48 am

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Re: 2011-08-17: (scroll)

Postby Fhqwhgads » Wed Aug 17, 2011 8:58 am

Pink Freud wrote:At this point, I half-expect Lisa to wake up in her bed, go to the shower and find Bobby Ewing.

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Re: 2011-08-17: (scroll)

Postby Alice Macher » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:02 am

Pink Freud wrote:At this point, I half-expect Lisa to wake up in her bed, go to the shower and find Aggie.


Corrected for smexiness.
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Re: 2011-08-17: (scroll)

Postby Fhqwhgads » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:06 am

bunnyThor wrote:I would just like to point out that this is [...] possibly the first ever appearance of individual teeth. :mrgreen:
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Re: 2011-08-17: (scroll)

Postby Bardlp » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:09 am

Wasn't it Sara's mom who called The Lesbians "mutual rape"? This scene is frighteningly close to that sort-of-homophobic-remark-in-a-cultural-comparison. Nobody can hate you like somebody who loves you, but... still. Gives me uncomfortable feelings.
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Re: 2011-08-17: (scroll)

Postby SomeCanadianWeirdo » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:19 am

I'm pretty sure Sara's mom was talking about how South Korean culture tended to portray lesbianism.

There's a story that would have been interesting to see a bit more about, how Sara's parents came together.
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Re: 2011-08-17: (scroll)

Postby Ele » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:31 am

I’ve been thinking about this for a while now, and here’s my official take on what’s going on and the reactions to it. Penny and Aggie’s relationship, once it turned romantic, has been remarkably cerebral. It’s involved a great deal of consideration, thought, contemplation, questioning, and uncertainty. Consider: their first romantic interaction was a very brief, very chaste kiss, which ended with Penny calling Aggie her “pretend girlfriend”. Following that, we spent a good portion of the month of June watching the two of them wrestle with their thoughts and feelings about what that single kiss meant. Aggie was terrified that Penny would change her the way she changed Rich and Karen, while Penny was nervously awaiting Aggie’s response to her overtures. During all of this, the fanbase wanted to know where the fireworks were. Where’s the chemistry? Why are they moving so slowly? June ended with their taking another step by solidifying that they were, indeed, in some form of relationship. More “probing” kisses followed that first one, and Penny moved toward drawing Aggie into her world to some degree by changing her wardrobe.

Again, all of this was really very subdued. It was a lot of testing the waters for several reasons. First, neither of them had been in a same-sex relationship, and weren’t entirely sure what this said about them. Second, Aggie had never been in ANY kind of relationship, and didn’t know how to act. Third, their relationship had been a rollercoaster of heated battles and antagonism for years. Where did this leave them now?

We entered July with the relationship entering a new phase, and in many ways it was the beginning of what we’re now seeing. After a lot of tentativeness and uncertainty, the girls started to find their footing with some of their old banter and antagonism. Yes, it was different than it was before, but it was still more familiar than where they were in June. What did June start with? The girls wrestling at the beach and calling each other names. There was still far too much uncertainty for them to move into a sexual encounter at this point, but they were bringing their old rivalry into their relationship in a way that they both enjoyed. Don’t buy it? Look at that last panel after their wrestling match and the fond look on Aggie’s face as she calls Penny by her new pet name. June continued in this way, with discussion with the parents, discussion with each other, and still more uncertainty about what they meant to one another and where the relationship was going.
Here we’re still in the midst of a very cerebral relationship… one where hormones are playing only the tiniest of roles, despite the fact that two inexperienced teenage girls are involved. That’s remarkable. Both of them kept their impulses and hormones tightly under control while they tried to understand their own feelings and thoughts about what they were experiencing.

Come August, Penny fully reaches out to Aggie, trying to connect with her in a way she’ll understand: through her own writing and introspection. Aggie responds by reaching out to Penny in a way she thinks she’ll understand: by pushing their relationship past that sexual barrier and initiating an encounter to which she thinks Penny will respond. This also has the effect of unleashing the aforementioned hormones, which had been tightly contained (much to the fanbase’s annoyance) for more than two months.

What am I getting at? That this is a remarkably complex relationship and that’s based on only TWO MONTHS of comic time. You have two teenage girls still feeling their way through a relationship neither of them expected to be in: two former sworn enemies now contemplating building a life together. They don’t yet fully understand how to relate to one another, though they’ve made huge strides in this area. They don’t yet fully know what they mean to one another, though they’ve made a lot of progress. They DO know how to fight. They know how to push each other’s buttons and how to get a rise out of one another, though whereas once that led to soda in the face now it leads to sex. Why aren’t they sitting down and having a rational discussion, people are asking? Because that’s not who either of them are, and that’s not the way their relationship has ever worked except during that brief span when they didn’t know how to act around one another. Why isn’t their relationship progressing in a loving, nurturing, romantic fashion? Because they’ve never had that kind of relationship. That DOESN’T mean it can’t take on more and more of those aspects as time goes by, but they’re never going to have a “traditional” romantic relationship, because they’ve never had a traditional friendly relationship.
What is clear at this point is that this is all very much mutual. There is pushing here, yes, but there’s also support, and there’s understanding. There’s confusion and there’s uncertainty, yes, but this is the case in any relationship, and it’s bound to be even more pronounced in a relationship as complicated as this one. I know people are panicking and freaking out after the last few encounters, but how much of that is because P&A aren’t behaving the way we all expect a traditional couple to behave, and when have P&A ever been a traditional couple?
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Re: 2011-08-17: (scroll)

Postby EmmalineHarris » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:27 am

Lia S wrote:I would have added "and possibly triggering" to the warnings at the top of the page.

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We knew Aggie likes being "green". Now we know it's the Soylent variety. :mrgreen:


I absolutely would have appreciated a "Triggering" warning at the top of the page. As a survivor of an abusive relationship, I find it disturbing that this is the second sex scene I've seen from these two that I would qualify as triggering for me. I've read this comic for years, but now it's starting to make me uncomfortable.
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