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Re: Revenge of Ask T Questions

Postby Alice Macher » Fri May 18, 2012 6:35 am

TCampbell wrote:Updated now. My schedule's always crazy but this week has been extra exhausting. I'm gonna have to push some things around, going forward.


Saw it--thanks! ♥

One correction, though: in moving the "Fan Glam No. 21" annotations to their own page, it seems you inadvertently chopped out the last strip and its commentary.
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Re: Revenge of Ask T Questions

Postby TCampbell » Sun May 20, 2012 7:36 am

Alice Macher wrote:
TCampbell wrote:Updated now. My schedule's always crazy but this week has been extra exhausting. I'm gonna have to push some things around, going forward.


Saw it--thanks! ♥

One correction, though: in moving the "Fan Glam No. 21" annotations to their own page, it seems you inadvertently chopped out the last strip and its commentary.


WAAAAAAAUGH

I'll fix that with tonight's. Thanks.
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Re: Revenge of Ask T Questions

Postby Captain LeBubbles » Wed May 23, 2012 8:53 am

This may have been answered before, but I'm late to the party, so: did you intentionally have Stan and Lisa's Dad look similar, or was that just a hilarious accident?
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Re: Revenge of Ask T Questions

Postby TCampbell » Thu May 24, 2012 4:44 am

Captain LeBubbles wrote:This may have been answered before, but I'm late to the party, so: did you intentionally have Stan and Lisa's Dad look similar, or was that just a hilarious accident?


Accident. You design enough characters, eventually two of them look alike. (This is especially true when most of your comics are black and white. Stan's established as brown-haired, but Mr. Winklemeyer could be any shade, really.)The transgendered Betty in the story Gisele's drawing right now looks a lot like Dillon from Menage a 3, too.
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Re: Revenge of Ask T Questions

Postby Zanosuke Kurosaki » Thu May 24, 2012 7:12 pm

During that flashback where the Pennies dethroned Meg, was Penny really trying to ask Braz out? Or was that part of the plan, to use that opportunity to get Meg into a place where she could be made vulnerable?
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Re: Revenge of Ask T Questions

Postby mindstalk » Thu May 24, 2012 8:16 pm

TCampbell wrote:
Captain LeBubbles wrote:This may have been answered before, but I'm late to the party, so: did you intentionally have Stan and Lisa's Dad look similar, or was that just a hilarious accident?


Accident. You design enough characters, eventually two of them look alike. (This is especially true when most of your comics are black and white.


http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... Snowflakes lists many counterexamples. It does note it's easier to do when you're not concerned about making everyone particularly attractive.

Heh. "The Terracotta Army of Qin Shi Huang contains approximately 8,000 terracotta soldiers. And each one looks different. "
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Re: Revenge of Ask T Questions

Postby TCampbell » Thu May 24, 2012 9:07 pm

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TCampbell wrote:
Captain LeBubbles wrote:This may have been answered before, but I'm late to the party, so: did you intentionally have Stan and Lisa's Dad look similar, or was that just a hilarious accident?


Accident. You design enough characters, eventually two of them look alike. (This is especially true when most of your comics are black and white.


http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... Snowflakes lists many counterexamples. It does note it's easier to do when you're not concerned about making everyone particularly attractive.

Heh. "The Terracotta Army of Qin Shi Huang contains approximately 8,000 terracotta soldiers. And each one looks different. "


Not quite what I'm talking about. Even snowflakes look similar, even if only in comparison to how different other snowflakes look. I'd be willing to bet that if you look at most cases where the overall cast of characters (including minor extras like Mr. Winklemeyer) exceeds 50, you'll probably find two who are similar enough that you'd say "they could be related..." And I was speaking of Gisele's work as a whole, which means the number would be more like 125 by now.

"Particularly attractive" is a factor too, especially when it comes to Gisele's work. I've teased her occasionally for not being ABLE to draw unattractive people.

This is also assuming other "cheats" aren't factors. I note with no small satisfaction that Guilded Age is one of the examples at that link, but it has an easier time keeping things varied, considering that it's juggling a variety of fantasy races.
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Re: Revenge of Ask T Questions

Postby NobodySpecial » Thu May 24, 2012 9:09 pm

mindstalk wrote:
TCampbell wrote:
Captain LeBubbles wrote:This may have been answered before, but I'm late to the party, so: did you intentionally have Stan and Lisa's Dad look similar, or was that just a hilarious accident?


Accident. You design enough characters, eventually two of them look alike. (This is especially true when most of your comics are black and white.


http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... Snowflakes lists many counterexamples. It does note it's easier to do when you're not concerned about making everyone particularly attractive.

Heh. "The Terracotta Army of Qin Shi Huang contains approximately 8,000 terracotta soldiers. And each one looks different. "


IIRC, the guys who oversaw that project ended up in the tomb with him, did they not? Gives an incentive for a project to run long...
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Re: Revenge of Ask T Questions

Postby TCampbell » Thu May 24, 2012 9:17 pm

Zanosuke Kurosaki wrote:During that flashback where the Pennies dethroned Meg, was Penny really trying to ask Braz out? Or was that part of the plan, to use that opportunity to get Meg into a place where she could be made vulnerable?


Penny was really trying to ask Braz out.
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Re: Revenge of Ask T Questions

Postby Zanosuke Kurosaki » Thu May 24, 2012 9:23 pm

TCampbell wrote:
Zanosuke Kurosaki wrote:During that flashback where the Pennies dethroned Meg, was Penny really trying to ask Braz out? Or was that part of the plan, to use that opportunity to get Meg into a place where she could be made vulnerable?


Penny was really trying to ask Braz out.


Considering what sort of person he turned out to be, I find it ironic that Meg really did do Penny a huge favor with her intervention, then... (and I admit a small amount of disappointment that Penny used such a small thing as her reason for revenge, and that it wasn't part of a larger plan. >.>; )
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Re: Revenge of Ask T Questions

Postby Captain LeBubbles » Thu May 24, 2012 9:27 pm

Zanosuke Kurosaki wrote:
TCampbell wrote:
Zanosuke Kurosaki wrote:During that flashback where the Pennies dethroned Meg, was Penny really trying to ask Braz out? Or was that part of the plan, to use that opportunity to get Meg into a place where she could be made vulnerable?


Penny was really trying to ask Braz out.


Considering what sort of person he turned out to be, I find it ironic that Meg really did do Penny a huge favor with her intervention, then... (and I admit a small amount of disappointment that Penny used such a small thing as her reason for revenge, and that it wasn't part of a larger plan. >.>; )


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Re: Revenge of Ask T Questions

Postby Zanosuke Kurosaki » Thu May 24, 2012 9:32 pm

Captain LeBubbles wrote:
Zanosuke Kurosaki wrote:
TCampbell wrote:
Zanosuke Kurosaki wrote:During that flashback where the Pennies dethroned Meg, was Penny really trying to ask Braz out? Or was that part of the plan, to use that opportunity to get Meg into a place where she could be made vulnerable?


Penny was really trying to ask Braz out.


Considering what sort of person he turned out to be, I find it ironic that Meg really did do Penny a huge favor with her intervention, then... (and I admit a small amount of disappointment that Penny used such a small thing as her reason for revenge, and that it wasn't part of a larger plan. >.>; )


When you're that young, there's no such thing as a small thing.


Point. And Penny was pretty much just looking for an excuse... *adds "vengeful and sneaky" to "List of traits I hope Penny has outgrown"*
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Re: Revenge of Ask T Questions

Postby TCampbell » Thu May 24, 2012 9:50 pm

Just to be clear, Penny didn't make her sneak attack against Meg over Braz, whom she got over very quickly (he's only one of a handful of boys she had eating out of her hand, pre-Popsicle War). Penny made her sneak attack because Meg made it clear that she was the alpha dog and expected to remain so through high school. She probably expected Penny to simply fall in line behind her as others eventually fell in line behind Penny. But for someone as ambitious as Penny, that was throwing down the gauntlet. There are no heroes in that little situation, to be sure, but I'm not sure "vengeful" is the word I'd use. Penny didn't care about what Meg did to her, Penny cared about what Meg was going to do, which was reduce Penny to a distant second at best in the high school hierarchy.
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Re: Revenge of Ask T Questions

Postby Zanosuke Kurosaki » Thu May 24, 2012 9:56 pm

TCampbell wrote:Just to be clear, Penny didn't make her sneak attack against Meg over Braz, whom she got over very quickly (he's only one of a handful of boys she had eating out of her hand, pre-Popsicle War). Penny made her sneak attack because Meg made it clear that she was the alpha dog and expected to remain so through high school. She probably expected Penny to simply fall in line behind her as others eventually fell in line behind Penny. But for someone as ambitious as Penny, that was throwing down the gauntlet. There are no heroes in that little situation, to be sure, but I'm not sure "vengeful" is the word I'd use. Penny didn't care about what Meg did to her, Penny cared about what Meg was going to do, which was reduce Penny to a distant second at best in the high school hierarchy.


Ah. Okay then. "Vengeful" is off the list. And that was one bit of growth that I liked for Penny - she realized just how meaningless the title of "Party Queen" really was, and that while it was fun, there were better things to do with herself and her friends. It was a nice touch that I've seen here and there in life. Once in a while, anyway. (I saw it at my reunion just a couple of years ago, in fact.)
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Re: Revenge of Ask T Questions

Postby mindstalk » Thu May 24, 2012 10:01 pm

TCampbell wrote:
mindstalk wrote:
TCampbell wrote:Accident. You design enough characters, eventually two of them look alike. (This is especially true when most of your comics are black and white.


http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... Snowflakes lists many counterexamples. It does note it's easier to do when you're not concerned about making everyone particularly attractive.

Heh. "The Terracotta Army of Qin Shi Huang contains approximately 8,000 terracotta soldiers. And each one looks different. "


Not quite what I'm talking about. Even snowflakes look similar, even if only in comparison to how different other snowflakes look. I'd be willing to bet that if you look at most cases where the overall cast of characters (including minor extras like Mr. Winklemeyer) exceeds 50, you'll probably find two who are similar enough that you'd say "they could be related..." And I was speaking of Gisele's work as a whole, which means the number would be more like 125 by now.

"Particularly attractive" is a factor too, especially when it comes to Gisele's work. I've teased her occasionally for not being ABLE to draw unattractive people.

This is also assuming other "cheats" aren't factors. I note with no small satisfaction that Guilded Age is one of the examples at that link, but it has an easier time keeping things varied, considering that it's juggling a variety of fantasy races.


Oh hey, I'd missed Guilded Age being on the list. Congrats. I'd noticed Sluggy and Gunnerkrigg and much of the anime/manga list. (I'd originally been looking for the massive cast shot of FMA.) And Qin.

As it notes, a lot of the works work under constraints. Like FMA apparently all have the same skull type, are black and white in the manga and restricted palette in the anime, and half all wearing the same uniform. I'm not obsessive enough to go test your bet though, looking to see if any unrelated characters look related.
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