[3-18-11] I know that's unfair

[Alice Macher]

"Hollywood doesn't matter
Anyone can see
Hollywood doesn't matter
Hollywood doesn't matter"
...Says Daphneeeeee

[showler]

Is there actual evidence supporting this, and other "Daphne would get mad" statements, or are we basing all this on Sara's assumptions about Daphne? I don't remember ever seeing Daphne jealous and paranoid about Sara, apart from worrying that being apart would pull them apart.

It's based on Sara's "assumptions" about Daphne, but those "assumptions" precede her connection with Lucy (so they won't be coloured by that connection) and Sara knows Daphne better than the audience so it seems pretty solid. Not like Sara has a reason to lie to herself in the internal monologue at that point.

[greenglowinggoo]

I really like Daphne's expression in the last panel. Such a well done desparate/hopeful pleading. I wonder if Daphne paid enough attention to the switch game to connect Sara's words today with her sudden desire for people who are too stupid to be duplicitous.

This whole situation is really starting to make me like Sara a lot less.

[jk9000]

Can someone explain the "Rich? Not important." bit? Is Daphne thinking that the special friend Sara made was Rich?

Sudden bout of biphobia, maybe?

Nah. Sara says "friend", not "special friend", and Daphne has no reason to believe she meant that in any but the platonic sense. Which makes dismissing it as "not important" a dirty move on Sara's part. Sara owes it to Daphne to explain that the trust problems aren't all her fault.

One thing we know about Sara is that she hates judgy backstabbers and likes people that she doesn't constantly watch her back around. Daphne believed a horrible lie about her, then she has to struggle to get along with Sara's best friend, then she has to be kept in the dark about Sara sharing a room so she won't get paranoid, and then lied to because she'd get angry about Lucy. There's been a long struggle about Sara having to constantly keep watch on Daphne's feelings almost all the time or face her wrath. Even if Sara didn't already dislike that sort of thing, that would be very very tiring.

Compare that to Lucy, who will never have an issue with any of those things.

Fair game on the rape accusation and Penny problem, but the Hollywood fiasco seems more about Sara's insecurities. Who's to say Daphne would've felt paranoid about Sara sharing a room? That she wouldn't be able to forgive Sara for moment of weakness? No duh she would've gotten upset about Sara cheating on her, but I have a hard time believing that wouldn't be an issue with Lucy, if she was the cheated-on rather than cheated-with. I'm not sure how much of Sara's "I always need to watch myself with Daphne" is justified, since she hasn't given Daphne much a chance to trust her as a girlfriend.

[IlliadAndOddity]

Yeah, I'd say that these two are pretty doomed, and I'm honestly not surprised.

One thing we know about Sara is that she hates judgy backstabbers and likes people that she doesn't constantly watch her back around. Daphne believed a horrible lie about her, then she has to struggle to get along with Sara's best friend, then she has to be kept in the dark about Sara sharing a room so she won't get paranoid, and then lied to because she'd get angry about Lucy. There's been a long struggle about Sara having to constantly keep watch on Daphne's feelings almost all the time or face her wrath. Even if Sara didn't already dislike that sort of thing, that would be very very tiring.

Compare that to Lucy, who will never have an issue with any of those things.

That we know of. I think Lucy is probably a very sweet girl - we saw no malice out of her except for when she was acting a role - but I also think that Sara has built her up into a more perfect person than she actually is. If they were to start a relationship, Lucy might not have the same issues as Daphne, but I think it wouldn't take long before Sara began to really have issues being in a relationship with someone who's her intellectual inferior.

After all, she said herself that approval from her more discriminating friends was worth more.

[Mec]

Arch AnDREWS, Arch AnDREWS, I will nurture and teach you...

Arch? I'm more of a Jughead man myself, but if you like the brash red-head type, okay.

He's a people-pleaser, so pipe up and *tell* him what you want.

And above all ...

Do not fall in love.

[Mung]

"Hollywood doesn't matter
Anyone can see
Hollywood doesn't matter
Hollywood doesn't matter"
...Says Daphneeeeee

Crap - I was hoping to get in on this rewrite before it ended. Bad timing

[jk9000]

Is there actual evidence supporting this, and other "Daphne would get mad" statements, or are we basing all this on Sara's assumptions about Daphne? I don't remember ever seeing Daphne jealous and paranoid about Sara, apart from worrying that being apart would pull them apart.

It's based on Sara's "assumptions" about Daphne, but those "assumptions" precede her connection with Lucy (so they won't be coloured by that connection) and Sara knows Daphne better than the audience so it seems pretty solid. Not like Sara has a reason to lie to herself in the internal monologue at that point.

I wouldn't call it lying so much as misjudging. Just because Sara didn't trust Daphne doesn't mean Daphne earned that mistrust. I mean, she did, with the rape accusation-- thats precedent of Daphne jumping to irrational, emotional conclusions-- but it's at least conceivable that Daphne, being truly repentant for her mistake and feeling more forgiving of Sara as a girlfriend, might've taken the Lucy situation well, had Sara given her the chance. At this point it's up to reader interpretation as to whether or not Sara made the right call in holding back information on Daphne.

[lauramars]

oh my gosh

what's sara wearing

and why is it suddenly different in panel 3?

[Adrishiana]

oh my gosh

what's sara wearing

and why is it suddenly different in panel 3?

I confess I don't love the outfit, myself, but what she's wearing is panel 3 is a flashback.

[lauramars]

I confess I don't love the outfit, myself, but what she's wearing is panel 3 is a flashback.

good call.

And I don't like her outfit either.

[FarkUp]

Panel 3 is a flashback to http://www.pennyandaggie.com/index.php?p=1064

[xeno112]

this seems really unnecessary to me for some reason Sara playing this to a bit of an extreme for something as little as i found someone nice that wasn't a backstabber in a show of hired backstabbers so i got a crush on her got denied by her cuz i had an equally nice girlfriend then get all worked up about telling my gf about the spill of weakness i had while under the stress of everything that didn't end in sex.

and i agree with Daphne it was a rigged reality show i don't think that u can use that as a major turning point of breaking up with ur girlfriend or making ur life changing decision off of it; it was a confined hell not really real per say i mean how many more rigged reality tv shows with one hot tempting enfj lesbian does she expect to be invited to? most reality TV shows are a glamorized 15 mins of fame outside of a few cases. the worlds full of backstabbers she just needs to grow up some stop being dramatic and just come clean about her slip up its something that's workable since she didn't sleep with her at least even if she wanted to and their relationship is still young no need to end it for the first case of slip up communication is key.

[IlliadAndOddity]

this seems really unnecessary to me for some reason Sara playing this to a bit of an extreme for something as little as i found someone nice that wasn't a backstabber in a show of hired backstabbers so i got a crush on her got denied by her cuz i had an equally nice girlfriend then get all worked up about telling my gf about the spill of weakness i had while under the stress of everything that didn't end in sex.

and i agree with Daphne it was a rigged reality show i don't think that u can use that as a major turning point of breaking up with ur girlfriend or making ur life changing decision off of it; it was a confined hell not really real per say i mean how many more rigged reality tv shows with one hot tempting enfj lesbian does she expect to be invited to? most reality TV shows are a glamorized 15 mins of fame outside of a few cases. the worlds full of backstabbers she just needs to grow up some stop being dramatic and just come clean about her slip up its something that's workable since she didn't sleep with her at least even if she wanted to and their relationship is still young no need to end it for the first case of slip up communication is key.

Not trying to sound mean or anything, but please try to punctuate and capitalize correctly. This post is incredibly hard to read. I have a seriously hard time following what you're saying.

[SlyDragon]

Is there actual evidence supporting this, and other "Daphne would get mad" statements, or are we basing all this on Sara's assumptions about Daphne? I don't remember ever seeing Daphne jealous and paranoid about Sara, apart from worrying that being apart would pull them apart.

I don't think it matters, so much. Whether Daphne is in fact jealous and paranoid or whether it's just something Sara assumes/believes, it leads to the same set of feelings: Sara cannot tell Daphne about everything in her life, she can't trust Daphne not to freak out, she has to lie and keep secrets in order to maintain her relationship. It's not something Daphne can necessarily fix, sadly, since the issue may well be entirely in Sara's perception. It's still a real issue, though.

I agree with the poster upthread - regardless of the status of Sara's relationship with Lucy or feelings for Lucy, I think Sara does feel like she can tell Lucy anything and everything, which only makes her inability to do so with Daphne more obvious to her.