[30 Nov 2010] Shhhh

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Postby dianekikiula » Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:03 am

Alice Macher wrote:
Valerie wrote:Please, please tell me the motivation someone would have for robbing a library.


Sorry, I wasn't clear. By "spate of thefts" I meant not that people were coming up to the desk and demanding our overdue-fine money (like that'd be worth doing), but rather that patrons were reporting their belongings stolen at a higher than usual rate. It's one of the U of Toronto libraries, very high-traffic, and if you leave your backpack, cellphone, etc. unattended for even a minute you're taking a risk.


Yeah, that can happen anywhere. I know that my local public library - which serves a population of roughly 30,000 people in a semi-rural, low-crime area - had some purse-snatching incidents earlier this year.
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Postby Alice Macher » Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:07 am

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RakeJ4 wrote:Would that be the Christian God you're offering that particular prayer to?;)
Now thats not fair. A lot of other gods also enjoy a good slaughter.


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Postby DudeMyDadOwnsADealership » Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:10 am

bunnybraat wrote:I really really hope that someone slides a knife in between Cyndi's ribs in the near future...


Somehow I think Cyndi does too, save for actually having the knife make it between her ribs and putting her out of everyone else's misery.

Especially if Cyndi's life returns to anything smacking of normal after this.

She'd only top herself from then on...
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Postby dianekikiula » Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:11 am

My two cents on this update? There's not enough blood to warrant Charlotte being dead.
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Postby Noah Kai » Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:16 am

Alice Macher wrote:
Valerie wrote:Please, please tell me the motivation someone would have for robbing a library.


Sorry, I wasn't clear. By "spate of thefts" I meant not that people were coming up to the desk and demanding our overdue-fine money (like that'd be worth doing), but rather that patrons were reporting their belongings stolen at a higher than usual rate. It's one of the U of Toronto libraries, very high-traffic, and if you leave your backpack, cellphone, etc. unattended for even a minute you're taking a risk.


U of T? Well I'm glad I go to York then. Though there have been a couple of bulletens of sexual assult and what not.

Still, back to the comic...I hate Cyndi, she wants to hurt Dunae? Wow, bitch. I like Char even if she is unstable, and she needs help, and I hope she gets help after this. :(
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Postby misstalksalot13 » Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:23 am

dianekikiula wrote:My two cents on this update? There's not enough blood to warrant Charlotte being dead.


Perhaps not! But I'm not going to make a bet either way...I'm just hopeing that this doesn't kill Charlotte...But she needs to get to an ER ASAP!

One thing I just thought about, the cut may not kill her, but it could damage her vocal chords any voice...really it could go any which way which makes it ever more nerve-racking! :/
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Postby hospi » Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:28 am

misstalksalot13 wrote:
dianekikiula wrote:My two cents on this update? There's not enough blood to warrant Charlotte being dead.


Perhaps not! But I'm not going to make a bet either way...I'm just hopeing that this doesn't kill Charlotte...But she needs to get to an ER ASAP!

One thing I just thought about, the cut may not kill her, but it could damage her vocal chords any voice...really it could go any which way which makes it ever more nerve-racking! :/


While women, ladies, and girls are not possessed of a strong protective cover that we men are blessed with, it is even more unlikely that she cut her larynx open, particularly to the point of damaging cords. The blood seems to be coming from the muscles and tissue at the front left side of her neck. Most likely her voice is completely safe.
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Postby Mr. Brightside » Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:36 am

There's nothing in her rant that they don't already know from her diary. That she actually managed to drive Charlotte to suicide might make a difference if Charlotte hadn't been standing over her with a knife.
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Postby Snarfle » Wed Dec 01, 2010 1:05 am

I love this comic, and I really do love following this arc, but I've gotta say: if Cyndi isn't put on a bus shortly after or at the end of this chapter, I may have to stop reading until she is. Her character type is just so unappealing to me in fiction. Not because she has no regrets, no conscience, and no morals... I can't stand her because she has no weakness. It's like she'd godmodding the storyline!

Here she is, kidnapped and being leaned over with a knife against her neck, and she shows no fear. A fellow student slits her own neck right in front of her and she laughs. Charlotte was right: nothing can hurt her. And the storyline thus far seems to be suggesting that the only way to truly stop Cyndi would be to kill her.*

I know people like her do exist and they are out there, but that doesn't mean I want to be reminded of that fact. There are certain episodes of specific crime dramas I just can't watch because these kind of people get away with murder in almost every episode. Even if they get caught, they still win, because it's not about whether they win or lose: they just want everyone else to lose. Just like Cyndi.



*And even with this point, one might say she'll still "win" because whoever does the deed is going down for murder.
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Postby misstalksalot13 » Wed Dec 01, 2010 1:18 am

Snarfle wrote:I love this comic, and I really do love following this arc, but I've gotta say: if Cyndi isn't put on a bus shortly after or at the end of this chapter, I may have to stop reading until she is. Her character type is just so unappealing to me in fiction. Not because she has no regrets, no conscience, and no morals... I can't stand her because she has no weakness. It's like she'd godmodding the storyline!



I'm going to still keep reading but I do agree its kind of annoying nothing seems to shake this girl!! Even an FBI agent busting in with a gun and she doesn't look phased...not even by the element of surprise. I mean, come on!

But I cannot wait to see the day she does show weakness or shock...that is one thing I am so looking forward too! x3 lol
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Postby Davidj » Wed Dec 01, 2010 1:29 am

naomi wrote:Damn. Like Valerie, I first thought (even hoped) the BANG was a gunshot aimed at Cyndi.

Anyway, I'm also hoping Carter heard something clearly. Maybe the rain let up just long enough that he was able to. I don't know why an FBI agent would burst into a building/room like that unless he had probable cause.



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Postby lackofheart » Wed Dec 01, 2010 1:33 am

Alice Macher wrote:"But Calvin is no kind and loving god. He's one of the old gods! He demands sacrifice!"


... I think I love you. :lol:
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Postby lokisdottir » Wed Dec 01, 2010 1:49 am

Holy s...! Hang in there, Char. The FBI man is here. :(

Anyone else find it bemusing that once again it's a black man who's stepping up to save Charlotte? If she comes out of this alive and sane, she may grow to be a poster girl for race relations. (Not that I think her original paranoia of Duane was racially motivated--whether the difference is race, religion, culture or something else, the Other can be a bit scary at first, especially for someone with her secluded background.)

I think it's all but certain that Carter has heard Spankable Cyn's little gloatfest, bless his individualistic heart. As hospi pointed out, her line really sounded like the kidnapper was finally bringing her murderous intention to fruition. There's no other good reason for an even borderline capable agent to burst into private property without a warrant and wielding a weapon, and something tells me Carter is more than borderline capable. As for where that will lead... who knows. There's no criminal penalty that I'm aware of for being an abhorrent bitch, and the closest legal remedy I can think of for Cyndi's speech is a tort claim for intentional infliction of emotional distress, but even then I'm not sure a judge or jury would find her behavior sustained enough and outrageous enough. They will all, I hope and believe, agree that she is a repulsive being, but that by itself ain't illegal. I know I've been horrible ("a nasty bitch," as Brandi so succinctly put it) at different times in my life, and if that starts becoming a crime I don't know how many of us will be left on the streets.

I'm not sure why readers are so set on Cyndi facing legal penalties for her actions, anyway. Sure, she deserves lots and lots of repercussion for her actions, and the school disciplinary system may take an interest. But it's not the job of the law to punish people for being horrible human beings. The horrible human beings can do damage mostly because the rest of us let them, for the most part. It's the flaws and fault lines in the "good" guys' psyches, their fractiousness and fears, that give malice room to burrow in and hurt. That's why Penny and Aggie starting to work together is such a seminal moment in the comic, because they realized that it's the responsibility of the good guys to pull together and make positive, lasting change. Simply removing Karen from the equation was not enough; that's why they had their subsequent manifesto-signing, because they themselves needed to grow and be stronger. Else the villain of the day might be disgraced and routed but the problems remain, plenty of finger-holds for future Karens and Cyndis.

Charlotte, because she was raised in a blame-placing and lashing-out way of thought and because she has a self-destructive streak wider than three aircraft carriers (of all her objects of blame, none is as hated as herself), missed that point completely and assumed that taking out the perpetrator would remove the harm. I won't say she's all wrong on this--Cyndi is one of the more virulent strains of psycho out there, maybe better treated with antibiotic than trying to build up a good immune system. Even so, she couldn't create havoc without her much-loved finger-holds. Michelle did have issues that allowed Cyndi to burrow into her head and lay a thousand anorexia eggs. Stan was the one who ruined Standi with his own choices. It was Jack's (and to some extent Katy-Ann's) inability to be honest about his desires, Duane's susceptibility to being a hero-savior, and Sarah's hormones getting the better of her reason that made them even momentarily vulnerable to Cyndi. The potential for harm is always within, and does not die with the hated Other.

A word (okay, more) on the author: Reading the responses and examining my own, I can't help but marvel that we are rooting for a girl who beat, drugged, and kidnapped a classmate, while we wish terrible fates on her victim. T does it again--he's a master at peeling back the surface of labels, conventions, and mores to what lies beneath, a rich universe of human motivations, nuanced emotions, and a vibrant moral core that confronts the reader time and again with our own lives and beliefs. He's not perfect, of course--no one is, and the moment a creator thinks so is the moment his artistic decay begins--but he is his own harshest critic and strives to learn and improve. It's a pleasure taking that journey with him, even if sometimes (as it did at the start of this arc) it feels like walking a very slender tightrope over a very long fall. He has the craft and the conviction to unbalance the story and his readers and then bring them back to stable footing, and I've come to trust him as a writer even at those moments when I'm not sure where he's going. In the Cyndi & Charlotte chapter I think he's once again guided us to a very good place indeed, and I applaud him for it.
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Postby sun tzu » Wed Dec 01, 2010 1:53 am

...I believe Cyndi is, as of today, the first webcomic character to make me say "Fuck you!" out loud at the screen. :x
She has to go down. Preferably within this story arc.
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Postby Mr. Brightside » Wed Dec 01, 2010 2:09 am

...okay, really, everyone. He's not there to help Charlotte. He's absolutely not. He's there to arrest her, and went in fully prepared to kill her if he had to. He's going to help Charlotte, of course, to a degree: he'll call her a "bus," but that's all he'll do before he slaps the cuffs on. Monday's little shocker doesn't change the fact that Charlotte kidnapped Cyndi and nearly killed her. Cyndi's a monster, but she hasn't done anything wrong here. Yes, she drove Charlotte to suicide, and yes, she enjoyed it a bit more than she should have, but she was entirely within her rights to do so. Charlotte was about to kill her, and if she'd had a way of doing so (and not had a safe way of retreating), Cyndi would have been within her rights to cut her throat herself. You might say "duty of retreat - she could have broken free at any moment," but what then? Just walk past the crazy girl with the knife? Bare-handed, arms duct-taped to wheelchair arms, wrestle it from her? Maybe Cyndi can be charged for trying to drive Michelle to suicide, and maybe she can't be, but having too much fun in a justifiable homicide - if it even is a homicide - is not a crime.

It kind of amazes me how T so thoroughly managed to reverse the audience's sympathies pretty much with just one little giggle.
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